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[MAA]

Jammu Martyrs' day: Hurriyet leaders put under house arrest

OCCUPIED SIRINAGAR ( 2008-11-06 11:51:03 ) :The Chairman of All Parties Hurriyet Conference (APHC), Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and other Hurriyet leaders have been placed under house arrest by the occupation authorities ahead of the Jamia Masjid March here to mark Jammu Martyrs' day, on Thursday.

Call for the March was given by the Jammu and Kashmir Coordination Committee.

The occupation authorities deployed heavy contingents of Indian police and troops outside the houses of these leaders. The authorities converted the entire Kashmir Valley into a garrison and imposed an undeclared curfew, KMS reported.

During the first week of November 1947, hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris were massacred by the forces of Maharaja Hari Singh, Indian army and Hindu extremists in different parts of Jammu region while they were migrating to Pakistan.

Other Hurriyet leaders put under house arrest includes Maulana Abbas Ansari, Agha Syed Hassan Al-Moosvi, Fazl Haq Qureshi and the President of Bar Association, Mian Abdul Qayoom.

source: http://www.aaj.tv/ne.../17_detail.html

[MAA]

India actions dont justify it being called the biggest "democracy" on earth, rather it justifies being called the biggest “hypocrisy” on earth.

[*PK Revolution*]

Exactly!

[MAA]

Kashmiris to boycott sham polls Monday

ISLAMABAD ( 2008-11-16 15:31:20 ) :In occupied Kashmir, the Jammu and Kashmir Coordination Committee has appealed people to totally boycott the farcical polls, first phase of which is going to be held tomorrow in ten constituencies of Bandipora, Ladakh and Poonch districts.

A meeting of the Committee was held, today, at the Mirwaiz Manzil in occupied Srinagar and presided over by Mian Abdul Qayoom.

Talking to media men after the meeting Mian Abdul Qayoom maintained that the holding of polls in the occupied territory was intended to sabotage the ongoing liberation struggle. He urged people to assemble at Jamia Masjid, Dargah Hazratbal, Dastgeer Sahib Sara-i-Bala and Gaw kadal in Srinagar and in grand mosques in other town tomorrow morning to proceed towards Bandipora.

The occupation authorities continued to keep under house arrest the Chairman of All Parties Hurriyet Conference, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Hurriyet leaders, Maulana Abbas Ansari and Agha Syed Hassan Al Moosvi, today.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and senior Kashmiri Hurriyet leader, Syed Ali Gilani appealed Kashmiri people to massively march towards Bandipora to reaffirm that they rejected holding of sham polls and their sacrifices were intended to secure inalienable right to self-determination.

Indian troops attacked the office of an APHC constituent party in Chaanapora area of Srinagar, today, ransacking it and arresting over six Hurriyet leaders and activists after subjecting them to severe torture. Three of them were critically injured. They had to lead Bandipora March from occupied Srinagar on Monday.

On the other hand, Indian troops have sealed Bandipora and its adjacent areas ahead of the polls drama there tomorrow. Barging into the houses, they have warned the residents of dire consequences if they did not participate in the polls.

Meanwhile, at least 25 persons were killed when a bridge at Parampeela in Uri area collapsed this morning. Construction of the bridge had been completed few days ago and it was to be inaugurated today. Three of the dead bodies have so far been recovered from River Jehlum.

source: http://www.aaj.tv/ne...965_detail.html

[MAA]

Two killed, 30 hurt in fresh IoK protests

OCCUPIED SRINAGAR ( 2008-11-22 14:21:56 ) :A second day of protests against Indian rule shook Indian occupied Kashmir (IoK) Saturday, leaving two Muslim protesters dead and over 30 hurt, police and witnesses said, ahead of more voting in state polls.

Police opened fire to control crowds of stone-throwing demonstrators in Baramulla town, about 55 kilometres (34 miles) occupied Srinagar, killing a teenage student, a police officer said.

The violence came on the eve of the second round of seven-stage state elections which wind up in late December.

The demonstrators hurled stones at a cavalcade of an election candidate from India's Congress party, prompting police guards to open fire, the officer said.

Following the death, angry youths poured onto the streets of Baramulla chanting, "We want freedom" as they carried the body of the slain student shoulder high.

Police opened fire after the baton charge and teargas proved ineffective, killing a second protester, police said.

"The situation in Baramulla town is tense," the officer said, requesting not to be named.

Residents said thousands of paramilitary troops were trying to enforce a curfew in the town, although authorities say none has been officially declared.

Occupied Srinagar and other Muslim-dominated towns have been frequently hit by strikes, protest rallies and curfews since June when some of the biggest anti-India protests erupted in the region that left nearly 50 Muslims dead in ensuing security force action.

Authorities have detained over the past six weeks more than two dozen prominent leaders who spearheaded the protests and scores of activists to prevent demonstrations against elections being held in Indian occupied Kashmir.

Groups opposed to Indian rule have called for a voter boycott of the polls. However the first round of the seven-stage election saw a nearly 60 percent turnout.

Many of the voters interviewed by AFP said they still wanted political freedom, but had voted to elect a government that would bring economic development and good management of the state.

source: http://www.aaj.tv/ne.../15_detail.html

[MAA]

Indian troops martyr five Kashmiris, Malik hospitalized

ISLAMABAD ( 2008-11-28 13:00:36 ) :Indian troops in their fresh act of state terrorism, martyred five innocent Kashmiri youth in Bandipore, in Indian occupied Kashmir.

The dead bodies of the martyred were recovered from the debris of three residential houses destroyed by heavy mortar shelling of 14-Rashtriya Rifles during siege and search operation at Sheikh Baba in Sumlar area of the district. Two cowsheds were also damaged and more than 30 cattle died during the operation, KMS reported.

Earlier, two troops were killed in an attack in the same area.

Meanwhile the detained Chairman of Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front, (JKLF) Mohammad Yasin Malik has been admitted to All India Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi.

The JKLF chief developed abdomen pain on Thursday in Jammu jail and due to non-availability of urgent medical aid his appendix burst turning his condition critical. He was taken to New Delhi, where he will go through surgery within next few hours, KMS reported.

source: http://www.aaj.tv/ne...115_detail.html

[Nasir Sayani]

Well technically, K2 is entirely ours considering the only viable route to the peak is on our side including the peak itself. We should buy the tract of land back from China under the banner that we don't want to hurt our Kashmir claims. I am sure China will oblige happily as the tract has very little value. Other than the fact we can kick India's ass of Siachen Glacier by attacking it on both sides.

I have just joined in today, I have been reading most of the comments on this topic, it is very interesting to see several count of proposed solutions and several different schools of thoughts.

After reading all the experts veiws, and I am sure in last 60years many of these ideas must have crossed many peoples mind and there must have been some reasons behind nothing being implemented. Even a free Kashmir means Pakistan also has to relenquish its control over Azaad Kashmir (?) prior to any referendum for determination of the future of Kashmir.

Realistically, that will never happen niether India nor Pakistan will relenquish the control, so than we need to move forward in securing peace between both the Countries and the only probable solution can be thought of is to draw International Border at LOC.

War for any cause is not worth it, and let us not make this a Relegious issue because it is not.

[Zain Abbass]

I have just joined in today, I have been reading most of the comments on this topic, it is very interesting to see several count of proposed solutions and several different schools of thoughts.

After reading all the experts veiws, and I am sure in last 60years many of these ideas must have crossed many peoples mind and there must have been some reasons behind nothing being implemented. Even a free Kashmir means Pakistan also has to relenquish its control over Azaad Kashmir (?) prior to any referendum for determination of the future of Kashmir.

Realistically, that will never happen niether India nor Pakistan will relenquish the control, so than we need to move forward in securing peace between both the Countries and the only probable solution can be thought of is to draw International Border at LOC.

War for any cause is not worth it, and let us not make this a Relegious issue because it is not.

You are right it is not a religious issue but we have to ask ourselves did all those people who sacrificed their lives for this cause die in vain. We don't want to be seen as abandoning the Kashmiri cause because we have stuck by it steadfast since 1947. Don't forget that Kashmir was called the Jugular vein by Jinnah!

[musiddiqui]

Kashmir ‘solution’ was a near miss

* Report says secret negotiations put on hold by fall of Pervez Musharraf
* Special envoys held talks over several years in hotel rooms in Bangkok, Dubai and London

LAHORE: Only a few days after former foreign minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri’s statement on Indo-Pak talks on Kashmir – the Washington Post has cited an article by an investigative journalist which also says that India and Pakistan engaged in nearly three years of secret, high-level talks that narrowly missed achieving a historic breakthrough in the Kashmir dispute.

According to the account by Steve Coll set for publication today, the negotiations – which began in 2004 – produced the outlines of an accord that would have allowed a gradual demilitarisation of the disputed Himalayan region. The effort stalled in 2007, and the prospects for a settlement were further undermined by the Mumbai terror attacks in November, the newspaper quoted the article as saying.

Declining fortunes: Coll has written that the two sides had ‘come to semicolons’ in their negotiations when the effort lost steam. The attempt ultimately failed, not because of substantive differences, Coll writes, but because declining political fortunes left Pakistan’s then president Pervez Musharraf without the clout he needed to sell the agreement at home.

Coll, a former Washington Post managing editor who won a Pulitzer Prize in 2005, writes that the resolution of the Kashmir dispute was the cornerstone of a broad agreement that would have represented a ‘paradigm shift’ in relations.

“Under the plan, the Kashmir conflict would have been resolved through the creation of an autonomous region in which local residents could move freely and conduct trade on both sides of the territorial boundary. Over time, the border would become irrelevant, and declining violence would allow a gradual withdrawal of tens of thousands of troops that now face one another across the region’s mountain passes,” said the newspaper.

“It was huge ... I think it would have changed the basic nature of the problem,” Coll’s article quotes a senior Indian official as saying. “You would have then had the freedom to remake Indo-Pakistani relations.”

According to Coll’s account, the secret negotiations consisted of about two-dozen meetings in hotel rooms in Bangkok, Dubai and London. The sessions revolved around developing a document known as a ‘non-paper’ – diplomatic jargon for a negotiated text that bears no names or signatures and can serve as a deniable but detailed basis for a deal. daily times monitor




Source: Daily Times

[truthsucider]

salam brother and sister,,
pakistan show many peaceful way to remove kashmir issu ,,but indians ddo not reponce positive,,so its means india dont want to loos kashmir in any cost ,,we hve only one option to prepare our self ,,,and start one war aganst indian army,,its sound like stupid but we dont hve any other choice,,i belone to kashmir Near Chakothe Line of control..i knw the situation in Jammu kashmir,,
i can understnd that pakistan is already facing so much problems ,,we cant bear war aganst indains right now,,
roud abut 61 years we stil dont have any other slution,so what shoud we do now,,
War is good for peace and peace is good for humanity,,
i like slauddin ayubi but i like Hijaj bin yousaf too:),,
we have to very carful wiht war aganst terrorist. this is not our war,we shoud takout our hands..
if kashmir in Azad kashmir 90% want to join pakistan and in india accupid kashmir mosly all muslim community join a pakistan,, my personal point of view is that kashmir shoud be a spreate state,
i read some comments that is not a religious issu but it is a religious issu,,,,
sory for my stupid english
Allah hafiz

[Skyscraper_guy]

Here's the religious breakdown of Kashmir. Don't think Buddhist Ladakh or Hindu Jammu would want to be a part of Pakistan.....

Only the one's in the Kashmir Valley (Dark green part in India) might want to join Pakistan.



The above map is from 1981. But not much has changed since then.

From the BBC, Latest Stats:

Religious groups: Indian-administered Kashmir

Kashmir Valley: 95% Muslim, 4% Hindu

Jammu: 66% Hindu, 30% Muslim, 4% Other

Ladakh: 50% Buddhist, 46% Muslim, 3% Other

Religious groups: Pakistani-administered Kashmir

Northern Areas: 99% Muslim

Azad Jammu & Kashmir: 99% Muslim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/03/kashmir_future/html/default.stm

Maybe Kashmir can be divided along religious lines. Muslim parts to Pakistan. Hindu & Buddhist parts to India.

[Zain Abbass]

Actually, much has changed in Kashmir since 1981 as the Hindus have been forced out from the fear of violence from many districts of Kashmir. I would like to see a more recent map to compare this map to get an accurate account of the situation.

[Skyscraper_guy]

But I provided the latest stats too. Jammu is Hindu, Ladakh is Buddhist and the Kashmir Valley is Muslim.

[Zain Abbass]

Sorry about that I didn't realize those were fairly recent stats you had given underneath the image. Anyways, how old are those figures anyway?

[Skyscraper_guy]

Around the Mid-2000s.

[Skyscraper_guy]

Here's the religious breakdown of Kashmir. Don't think Buddhist Ladakh or Hindu Jammu would want to be a part of Pakistan.....

Only the one's in the Kashmir Valley (Dark green part in India) might want to join Pakistan.



The above map is from 1981. But not much has changed since then.

From the BBC, Latest Stats:

Religious groups: Indian-administered Kashmir

Kashmir Valley: 95% Muslim, 4% Hindu

Jammu: 66% Hindu, 30% Muslim, 4% Other

Ladakh: 50% Buddhist, 46% Muslim, 3% Other

Religious groups: Pakistani-administered Kashmir

Northern Areas: 99% Muslim

Azad Jammu & Kashmir: 99% Muslim

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/03/kashmir_future/html/default.stm

Maybe Kashmir can be divided along religious lines. Muslim parts to Pakistan. Hindu & Buddhist parts to India.

Languages in Kashmir:



Source: http://www.kashmirst.../languages.html

[Zain Abbass]

I am curious to see what India and Pakistan agreed to as a solution during the Musharraf Government. The current Government could do it as well as long at the military is with them.

[Zain Abbass]

I would like to disagree to few ppl who said that jammu & Laddakh be handed to India.

The fact is Muslims are in majority in Kashmir valley and a large part of Jammu. Hindus are in majority in a small portion of Jammu area and that ratio also increased due to Hindu settlements after India's occupation. Secondly, Laddakh has majority of Buddists with Muslims in minority similar to Balistan adn infact these ppl have close ties to Baltistan ppl due to attached area (and Laddakh had less than 3% hindus so y shud it be given to India).

And if we talk abt overall Kashmir, then Muslims are in majority and they have close ties to areas in Pak, not with India. So historically, geographically and ethnical speaking, all of Kashmir should be a part of Pak and not India ~~~

Division of Kashmir doesnt stand true on account of:

1. kashmiri ppl dnt want a division of their state, whether Muslims or other groups.

2. If it is divided on basis of ethnicity, y not the areas of East Punjab like Gurdaspur which have muslim majority handed back to Pak (and its the fact that these areas were part of pak bt india forcibly occupied them) So if u talk abt the division then India has to give back all those muslim majority areas including hyderabad etc back to pak. Y shud only kashmir be divided??

3. The UN resolution clearly says that fate of the whole Kashmir is based on ppl's choice that is they want to goto Pak or India?

Actually there was no question of division in the past bt due to poor policies of our leaders, it became a point of discussion. Otherwise Pak is strong enough now with its nuclear power to ask from India its justful right of getting Kashmir in accordance with the wishes of Kashmiri ppl & according to resolutions of UN.

Your opinion on the issue are not based on reasonable expectations but wishful thinking and pipe dreams. The Kashmiris themselves just want to independent and don't want to have anything to do with India or Pakistan.